Tommy sits down with Dr. Midori Ogasawara, Banting Postdoctoral Fellow at the University of Ottawa, and one of the premiere investigative journalists on surveillance in Japan. For nearly twenty years, Midori has researched the legacy of surveillance in Japan, and is the only reporter from Japan to have interviewed NSA whistle blower, Edward Snowden. A recipient over 9 academic awards and the author two books on Snowden and surveillance in Japan, Midori has a wealth of insight to share. Tommy and Midori chat about the differences between media attitudes and (in)tolerances towards whistleblowing and surveillance in both Japan and the USA. They also touch on matters of heroism, individuality, and the insecurity mass surveillance perpetuates as well.